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So I play alot of cross sticks and they get lost in the mix sometimes. I have been working on my technique to get it as loud and cutting as possible but I was wondering what the PERFECT snare would be to get these as loud as possible. 

my current snare is 6.5x14 hammered brass with 2.3 rolled hoops. 

I do have a 5x14 chrome over brass 8 lug with die cast hoops and it is louder for cross sticks but it doesn't sound as good in every other application as far as ghost notes, backbeat, etc. 

I do think if I go to diecast hoops it will help but I also want to know if you guys think a thinner wood snare like 9 ply or thicker like 20 ply would project cross sticks more, or stick with metal snares? I also thought if i upgrade my snare wires to a higher wire count like those 40 wire snares that might help but I'm worried it might be too buzzy for everything else. I keep my snares pretty loose and play alot of fat snare hits and rolls so I can't have a choked up snare wire sound. 



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So I play alot of cross sticks and they get lost in the mix sometimes. I have been working on my technique to get it as loud and cutting as possible but I was wondering what the PERFECT snare would be to get these as loud as possible. 

my current snare is 6.5x14 hammered brass with 2.3 rolled hoops. 

I do have a 5x14 chrome over brass 8 lug with die cast hoops and it is louder for cross sticks but it doesn't sound as good in every other application as far as ghost notes, backbeat, etc. 

I do think if I go to diecast hoops it will help but I also want to know if you guys think a thinner wood snare like 9 ply or thicker like 20 ply would project cross sticks more, or stick with metal snares? I also thought if i upgrade my snare wires to a higher wire count like those 40 wire snares that might help but I'm worried it might be too buzzy for everything else. I keep my snares pretty loose and play alot of fat snare hits and rolls so I can't have a choked up snare wire sound. 





Brass has a lot of overtones which gives it a lot of body, but might be why the cross sticks are getting lost in the mix. Maple tends to have a bit more bite and warmth to the tone which will likely cut through the mix better. I've noticed my 20ply maple snare definitely has more cross stick power than my 10ply!

That being said, tuning will play a huge part in this! If the snare is tuned higher, cross sticks will cut way harder!

I'm not sure if the hoops will make much of a difference, I've had diecast, 2.3s and 3.0s and it hasn't made much of a difference from what I can tell - though I haven't done a deep test on it.

As for the snare wires, they'll add notable sensitivity to ghost notes and such, but from my experience, they have no impact on the projection of a cross stick.

All said, I'd give the higher tuning a shot and see if that helps a bit, and if not maybe see if you can try out a maple snare from a friend! If a maple snare does the trick hit me up and let's get you rocking one duuude! 

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Brass has a lot of overtones which gives it a lot of body, but might be why the cross sticks are getting lost in the mix. Maple tends to have a bit more bite and warmth to the tone which will likely cut through the mix better. I've noticed my 20ply maple snare definitely has more cross stick power than my 10ply!

That being said, tuning will play a huge part in this! If the snare is tuned higher, cross sticks will cut way harder!

I'm not sure if the hoops will make much of a difference, I've had diecast, 2.3s and 3.0s and it hasn't made much of a difference from what I can tell - though I haven't done a deep test on it.

As for the snare wires, they'll add notable sensitivity to ghost notes and such, but from my experience, they have no impact on the projection of a cross stick.

All said, I'd give the higher tuning a shot and see if that helps a bit, and if not maybe see if you can try out a maple snare from a friend! If a maple snare does the trick hit me up and let's get you rocking one duuude! 


Just to add to what Jason said, always remember that technique plays the biggest role of all! Other than that, I'd say follow what Jason said and hopefully all works out![smile]

It's really hard sometimes to find that sweet spot between getting the snare sound you want and the cross-stick sound you want. Just play around with tuning and soon enough you'll get it![cool]

(And if you ever want to hear what wood hoops sounds like, feel free to hit me up for a custom groove wedge instead of wasting money on an actual set of hoops)
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